In any case I don’t have much use for the Democrats either. Both parties’ represent Faction as described in the Federalist Papers. If this were 1992 I’d be laying into the Democrats as a bunch of crooks too, but this is 2006 and the GOP is crooked as any party ever was. Maybe I will criticize the Democrats after the next election.

Do you think that you could unlearn the idea that there is only a Democratic and Republican point of view? Sometimes I am truly nonplussed by believers, whether it is belief in GWoT or belief in Global Warming. Hey, how about some empirical evidence?

I think what we’ve got here is a failure to communicate. I see that you have employed a straw man argument, ad homonym attack and arguing against a point not made. I was simply criticizing you for jumping on the swiftboat bandwagon. I think I will always be irritated by old overfed blowhards who want to send young boys out to die for no reason.

Anyway, the only party I ever joined was the GOP. I left when the party was taken over by Dixiecrats (Reactionary former Democrats), Liberal do-gooders (neo Conservatives), Puritans (Religious Right), and traitorous thieves (supply siders). Oh, and instead of picking George H.W. Bush in 1980, who was in the tradition of Ford, Nixon, and Eisenhower, they picked some kook who believed in aliens, had a pusillanimous foreign policy, and let foreigners loot our physical plant.

I think you can close the comments from your side if you want the last word. If you know of government corruption I wish you would publish it, that would be a public service.

The feaking chickenshit chickenhawk argument again.

Why in the cornbread hell does anybody in this friggin country have to establish “public bona fides” to criticize any politician, regardless of thier status as veteran?  I will criticixe whomever I want, and do not need to go through any kind of litmus test to be able to do it….and nobody else in this country does either.

I saw no such “public bona fides” established by folks in the Democrat Party when they argued so vociferously against Oliver North’s seeking office…no such protestations that he was a “decorated veteran” and thus beyond reproach. But let me just give you this, posted to MilBlogs that sums up pretty much my, and other veteran’s opinions about Murtha, and the whole “chickenshit chickenhawk” argument:

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/milblogs/2006/06/17/#005727

Rep. Murtha plays the bully
[CDR Salamander]
All due respect to Rep. Murtha and all, but I am sorry; just because you served does not give you the right to play bully-boy with those who have not.

Sure, it is OK, sometimes, if you are backed into a corner to pull out your DD214 if someone who never served is talking about Tactical issues and is smearing and/or sending out bad gouge, etc; but when it comes to Strategic issues, I am sick of the “You haven’t served, you can’t disagree with me. My opinion cannot be questioned.” way of avoiding the core issue.

That is so old, tired, and foolish. <b>Prime Minister Thatcher never served, however it can be argued that she is easily in the Top 5 civilian leaders who “Got it.” Should she have caved to the opinion of some Old Labor defeatist who thought they should give the Falklands to the Argentineans, or unilaterally disarmed in the face of the Soviets just because he spent the mid-1940’s fighting his way up Italy?</b> No. The Chickenhawk habit is way past Chicken$(%t

BTW…you waited two and a half months to respond to my last comment?

 Waiting for the last word?

Trying to make it look like I fell dumbfoundingly silent when faced with the utter brilliance of your tired old argument?

Or were you just being as chickenshit as the chickenhawk argument you walked in with?

Or are the polls looking badly for Murtha now that thousands of Veterans ike me are uniting against him?

Is he spending too much time raising money for anti-victory Demcrats and not enough in his home district?

Or is it that ther is just no real defense for his public statements, especially those condemning soldiers as “cold blooded killers” with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and he needs folks like you to make the chickenhawk argument for him?

I’d be willing to bet that your belated response is one generated by the Murtha campaign and is a result of nutroots folks minding the web and blogs for entries about him, and want to make it appear that we run at the mere sound and fury of your electronic voices.

Guess I’ll take some time this weekend and write about how Jackiepoo and his defense lobbyist brother got that juicy defense contract for the Pelosi family.

These are crazy times: well known draft dodger and injury faker Saxby Chambliss smears decorated veteran Max Cleland and gets away with it. That’s outrageous. Chambliss never did anything but talk, he’s a blow hard. Max Cleland put his life on the line for his country and gets treated like dog crap by the GOP.

So, do you stand with veterans, and people who take the time to weigh information, or do you just cheer for the part line? Which is something you could do in any country. But one must live in America, and a small handful of countries to have the freedom to dissent. Do you stand for freedom or conformism?

Try to get beyond the hackneyed idea of Left/Right.

Which part of that mission is threatened?

We began with having to take control of the entire country, and stave off attacks from groups bent on preventing the formation of the government and ejecting us from the country before it happened. We then fought people trying to overthrow that government once it was established, while simultaneoulsy fighting foreigners in the country who had the same purpose but a different ultimate goal.

Now we’re fighting a Shiite ilitia in a couple fo neighborhoods in a city twice the size of Houston. The foreign fighters have been decimated, and the groups bent on overthrowing the government are now asking for it’s help, negotiating surrender, and stoped fighting it.

Dosen;t sound like a stand off to me. who are we in the standoff with?

The enemy is still free to fall back regroup, rearm, plan and attack. The US is in reaction mode. All this rebuilding crap is nothing when the enemy can basically kill at will.

There will be no more taking of towns like Falujah because the administration has succimbed to political correctness. We are not winning we are in a Mexican standoff, hamstrung just like Viet Nam and until this administration goes on full attack, just like Israel we will not be anywhere near winning.

You combine this with now having to answer to the newly formed governemnt and their whims, this does not bode well for us at all.

I have no doubt Murtha made the comments as they are part and parcel of the Left Wing’s mischaracterization of our successes in this war, as the quote the Herald did print wherin Murtha says;

“We have become the enemy.”

THe pictures of Murtha with Code Pink shown on the Veterans for Irey website don;t help much either.

I’m more of the opinon that te Hearald has the saem bias as the New York Times and even they saw how damaging this coment is going to be, and chose not to repeat it, only te one we have become accustomed to hearing from Murthypoo.

Were I in Sun-Sentinel’s shoes, I’d sit quiet as a mouse, hoping this will all blow over without much more fuss. Elizabeth Baier quotes Murtha several times in her Breaking World News (Brit Hume of Fox News as well as the Wall Street Joural have taken Baier’s ball and run with it) claims of what Murtha said in Miami. When direct quotes are used, it’s often the case the reporter has recorded the event, in order to make certain their quotes are accurate. What initially drew my attention was her lack of quotes for what she claims Murtha said in her first paragraph.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story

Shortly after reading the Sun Sentinel story, I googlenews’ed “Murtha Miami Iran Nuclear”
Among the dozens of hits quoting Ms. Baier indexed within a few hours of the Sun Sentinel’s earth shaking expose’ of Murtha’s talk, I found another article published by the Miami Herald.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_county/14896189.htm

You will notice, this writer totally missed Murtha’s “shot heard around the world” (technorati now has 400+ hits for what Ms. Baier claims Murtha said.)

On the unlikely chance Ms. Baier did *not* quote Murtha from a recording she made at the event … I’ve written the Florida International University Public Relations folks asking them to preserve their audio/video recording of this event they sponsored for Murtha to speak at.

I’ve sent inquiries to the entire editorial boards of the Sun Sentinel, Wall Street Journal, Arizona Sun Star and Miami Herald, as well as Knight Ridder, asking them to pursue any recording of this event, in pursuit of the real news story, Elizabeth Baier.

It shouldn’t take more than a day, or three, for Ms Baier to experience personally, that the world of journalism is flat. Whether you like or despise John Murtha is no longer the story. The real story is … just how far has mainstream media sunk? Is Jerry Springer Journalism the new standard for reporters?

Here’s what should strike every blogger as truly shocking… If Murtha never said anything like this … If America’s Conservative Talking Heads plastering this “Murtha fiction” all over the internet, including Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, then who’s to blame for this story achieving such prominence that our enemies will have no trouble finding it, and get the comfort these stories provide them?

Hold your breath and hope that all this aid to our enemies really does have to do with what Murtha said in Miami. Until this gets cleared up by audio/video recordings verifying what was said, it’s America’s media “dittoheads”, including bloggers that are the ones providing comfort our enemies.

Let’s hope Fox News, Wall Street Journal, and of course, bloggers ain’t the real culprits giving comfort to our enemies.

Keep in mind there are only two stories written by reporters who were actually in Miami last Saturday, where Murtha spoke. One used Mutha’s outrageous comments as her opening paragraph, and the other, at a competing Newspaper in Florida, never mentioned them at all.

I spent a few hours on the phone with a friend of mine who is editor for a news site. I’m letting him run with this ball. You can follow how this story develops at:

http://theinfozone.net/

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